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We were watching a program on Queen Elizabeth. It said that Margaret was given a hard time for wanting to marry Peter Townsend, because he was a divorced man. We all know about Charles's problems with a divorced woman. The Church of England does not permit divorce. Out of the question for royalty to marry divorced people, or to get divorced themselves.
But wait a minute - it occurs to me that the main reason for starting the Church of England was so that Henry VIII could get divorced and find a woman that could bear him sons. The nasty old Pope wouldn't permit divorce, and Henry was tired of beheading all his wives. So start your own church and put the king as head of it, and hey, you can do what you want.
So what changed? They're just as strict on themselves now as the Catholic church was then. What am I missing here?
Gary Eickmeier
But wait a minute - it occurs to me that the main reason for starting the Church of England was so that Henry VIII could get divorced and find a woman that could bear him sons. The nasty old Pope wouldn't permit divorce, and Henry was tired of beheading all his wives. So start your own church and put the king as head of it, and hey, you can do what you want.
So what changed? They're just as strict on themselves now as the Catholic church was then. What am I missing here?
Gary Eickmeier
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[nq:1]We were watching a program on Queen Elizabeth. It said that Margaret was given a hard time for wanting to ... England does not permit divorce.
- [nq:1]We were watching a program on Queen Elizabeth.
- It said that Margaret was given a hard time for wanting to ...
- England does not permit divorce.
- [/nq] The Church of England doesn't have a voice when it comes to divorce - divorce is a civil matter.
- CoE did used to refuse to allow divorce(e)s to marry in church, but they've since changed their minds.
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[nq:1]We were watching a program on Queen Elizabeth. It said that Margaret was given a hard time for wanting to ... England does not permit divorce. Out of the question for royalty to marry divorced people, or to get divorced themselves.[/nq]
The Church of England doesn't have a voice when it comes to divorce - divorce is a civil matter. CoE did used to refuse to allow divorce(e)s to ma
The Church of England doesn't have a voice when it comes to divorce - divorce is a civil matter. CoE did used to refuse to allow divorce(e)s to ma
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[nq:1]We were watching a program on Queen Elizabeth. It said that Margaret was given a hard time for wanting to ... what changed? They're just as strict on themselves now as the Catholic church was then. What am I missing here?[/nq]You may be oversimplifying the circumstances of Henry VIII's "divorce". He was actually seeking a decree of nullity, on the ground that he had inadvertently contracted
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[nq:1]We were watching a program on Queen Elizabeth. It said that Margaret was given a hard time for wanting to ... what changed? They're just as strict on themselves now as the Catholic church was then. What am I missing here?[/nq]
What you are missing is perceived English public
morality as it was approx. 1950, when the most middle and upper class families preferred separation r adultery
What you are missing is perceived English public
morality as it was approx. 1950, when the most middle and upper class families preferred separation r adultery
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[nq:1]Princess Margaret could have married Townsend had she wanted. She would have lost her place in the succession but retained her title.[/nq]
This all happened well before my time, so I am uncertain of my facts here. But could she have married Townsend? The various statutes forbid Royals from marrying without the consent of the Monarch, and it's entirely possible that HM would
This all happened well before my time, so I am uncertain of my facts here. But could she have married Townsend? The various statutes forbid Royals from marrying without the consent of the Monarch, and it's entirely possible that HM would
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[nq:1]The one thing that Henry ("Fidei Defensor") didn't have in mind was an English Reformation on continental lines. The Mass ... that was more branch than root: the C of E claimed and claims to maintain the Apostolic Succession, and -[/nq]
Maintained apostolic succession? Excuse me, but... how can they claim that if they broke off from the church of Rome?
Gary Eickmeier
Maintained apostolic succession? Excuse me, but... how can they claim that if they broke off from the church of Rome?
Gary Eickmeier
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[nq:1]This governed 3/4 of the advice offered to Princess Margaret when young and in love. (The other 1/4 of the advice concerned the marital history of her Aunt Wallis.)[/nq]
But they have the same attitude today w respect to Charles and Camilla. So it's not just a 50s thing.
Gary Eickmeier
But they have the same attitude today w respect to Charles and Camilla. So it's not just a 50s thing.
Gary Eickmeier
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[nq:2]The one thing that Henry ("Fidei Defensor") didn't have in ... claimed and claims to maintain the Apostolic Succession, and -[/nq]
[nq:1]Maintained apostolic succession? Excuse me, but... how can they claim that if they broke off from the church of Rome?[/nq]
It's about bishops ordaining bishops. The line of ordination is unbroken. There was no break in this line. At no point was a b
[nq:1]Maintained apostolic succession? Excuse me, but... how can they claim that if they broke off from the church of Rome?[/nq]
It's about bishops ordaining bishops. The line of ordination is unbroken. There was no break in this line. At no point was a b
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[nq:2]Princess Margaret could have married Townsend had she wanted. She would have lost her place in the succession but retained her title.[/nq]
[nq:1]This all happened well before my time, so I am uncertain of my facts here. But could she have married ... is the penalty merely removal from the succession (as you imply), or could HM have actually stopped the whole thing?[/nq]
[nq:1]This all happened well before my time, so I am uncertain of my facts here. But could she have married ... is the penalty merely removal from the succession (as you imply), or could HM have actually stopped the whole thing?[/nq]
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[nq:2]This governed 3/4 of the advice offered to Princess Margaret ... the advice concerned the marital history of her Aunt Wallis.)[/nq]
[nq:1]But they have the same attitude today w respect to Charles and Camilla. So it's not just a 50s thing.[/nq]
Prince Charles is himself divorced. It appears that he was having a 'relationship' with Camilla before during and after his marriage to Diana
[nq:1]But they have the same attitude today w respect to Charles and Camilla. So it's not just a 50s thing.[/nq]
Prince Charles is himself divorced. It appears that he was having a 'relationship' with Camilla before during and after his marriage to Diana
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[nq:2]Princess Margaret could have married Townsend had she wanted. She would have lost her place in the succession but retained her title.[/nq]
[nq:1]This all happened well before my time, so I am uncertain of my facts here. But could she have married ... have actually stopped the whole thing? As others have noted, in the 50s divorce was a shameful thing, rarely acknowledged.[/n
[nq:1]This all happened well before my time, so I am uncertain of my facts here. But could she have married ... have actually stopped the whole thing? As others have noted, in the 50s divorce was a shameful thing, rarely acknowledged.[/n
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