Bill Palmer's Google archives disappearing

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Has anyone noticed that Bill Palmer's Google archives are disappearing at a rather rapid rate?
If you Google on "palmer.william" (Email Removed) net there are only 325 posts remaining. His posts under his earlier nicks are slowly reducing in numbers as well. Is he going into hiding and dragging his "gems" with him?
He has been posting into alt.test recently, looks like he might be about to change his nick to something new. I wonder how long it will take to get rid of all the posts, one at a time? I guess we will find out. It would be easier to just get Google to delate them "en masse" rather than going into a tedious, one at a time, routine.

Jim

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Is that possible?
I know there are these people who either stop their posts being archived or delete them from archives later. What reasons are there for this behaviour? And am I right in saying that it's not possible to delete records of how many posts you've made and to which groups, even if the posts themselves aren't archived?
Adrian

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[nq:1]Is that possible? I know there are these people who either stop their posts being archivedor delete them from archives ... delete records of how many posts you've made and to which groups, even if the posts themselves aren't archived? Adrian[/nq]
When you consider that posts are archived on tens of thousands of servers and any number of personal computers, world-wide, any observation that posts are disappearing makes it seem likely you are witnessing a local phenomenon, if not an outright fabrication.
Frank ess

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[nq:1]Is that possible? I know there are these people who either stop their posts being archived or delete them from ... to delete records of how many posts you've made and to which groups, even if the posts themselves aren't archived?[/nq]
I don't know about the mechanics of all this, but I can't believe that Bill Palmer, of all people, would ever delete anything of his from a Usenet archive. He boasts about being the great genius of Usenet, and about the numbers of his postings, and on and on ad nauseam. I think he'd view the deletion of his postings as roughly equivalent to the destruction of the Alexandria Library. If there is a way to delete postings already archived, it may be this other guy, who uses Bill's name and pretends to be posting from his account, who's doing the deleting.
Like Adrian, I am a bit interested in the mechanics of all this, without regard to who'se the culprit or the target.

Bob Lieblich
Archived

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[nq:1]When you consider that posts are archived on tens of thousands of servers and any number of personal computers, world-wide, any observation that posts are disappearing makes it seem likely you are witnessing a local phenomenon, if not an outright fabrication. Frank ess[/nq]
Posts being archived on tens of thousands of privately owned servers has little to do with the Google archives.
Out of curiosity, I just did a Google search on "palmer.william" (Email Removed) and there really are only 325 posts, an amazingly small number for Bill Palmer. I would imagine he would make more than that in a month considering the number of groups he posts and cross posts to during his normal posting day.
It is also strange that there have been no posts at all from him for the past few days, I imagine that must be a first.

I doubt whether is the other Bill Palmer doing it, as it is not easy to "legally" delete posts from Google, they normally require you to delete from the same address that the posts were made from. I suppose that if you have the ability to hack into someone's email account it could be done.
Maybe Bill doesn't want the new guy taking credit for Bill's own dross (gems) and is removing it all to stop him. You can never tell how Bill Palmer will respond, he doesn't exactly have a firm grasp on reality.

David

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[nq:2]When you consider that posts are archived on tens of ... witnessing a localphenomenon, if not an outright fabrication. Frank ess[/nq]
[nq:1]Posts being archived on tens of thousands of privately owned servers has little to do with the Google archives.[/nq]
Let me write that down.

We must use different googles:
"Searched Groups for "bill palmer".
Results 1 - 10 of about 98,500. Search took 0.56 seconds."

How about this one?
"Searched Groups for "bilp almer".
Results 1 - 10 of about 83. Search took 0.31 seconds."
" . . . outright fabrication" seems to be gaining credibility.

Here, let me try it.
As far as his not posting for a few days: someone swiped a few of his posts, according to Google, and baited his old cell in the loony bin. Last time it took more than 97 days for him to ingratiate his way out, or to escape, and follow the trail of crummy "humor" back to the Usenet.

Reality-challenged though he may be, there is no question that when he wiggles, eyes bug out.
Frank ess

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[nq:1]We must use different googles:[/nq]
No, we are using them different ways.
I searched, not for references to Bill Palmer, but for posts sent by him under the address that he has been using for the past few months

"palmer.william" (Email Removed)
I am aware that there are many thousands of references to Bill Palmer, (although many are not him, there are some "nicer" Bill Palmer's on usenet) but regarding posts that he has sent recently, it seems that the numbers no longer add up.
A few weeks ago, when all this "doppelganger" stuff started, out of curiosity I searched on his current posting name and address and I found seventeen hundred posts from him. There are now 325. I searched also, just on Bill Palmer as author and found nineteen thousand. There are fourteen thousand showing currently. When I also searched, as you did, simply on references to Bill Palmer I found close to one hundred thousand, much as Bill Claimed. That number is only down a thousand or two.
Either Google is having a hiccup, or Bill (or a fake Bill) is up to something. My curiosity was piqued mainly because I had recently searched on his name and can see a noticeable reduction in the number of posts. It is very hard to remove posts from Google if you are not the original author, so this is a curious anomaly. The fact that a known troll has pointed this out also suggests the possibility of foul play.
One explanation for the reduction in references is that some of the other genuine Bill Palmers, from the aviation and technical groups, may have removed their posts, thus reducing the total. As for the posts made by Bill from his current address, I have no idea. Maybe he is going to trying claim that his doppelganger has done it in order to have grounds to bring charges against him? Who knows.
[nq:1]As far as his not posting for a few days: someone swiped a few of his posts, according to Google, ... him to ingratiate his way out, or to escape, and follow the trail of crummy "humor" back to the Usenet.[/nq]
Ok, then perhaps something similar has happened. I wasn't really aware of him until fairly recently when all this fuss started, before then I had simply discounted him as just another crackpot. I didn't realise that he was the crackpot.
[nq:1]Reality-challenged though he may be, there is no question that when he wiggles, eyes bug out. Frank ess[/nq]
Much the same effect as a bad traffic accident eh?
David

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Once again I must apologise for double posting. This time it wasn't my daughter, it was one of my managers who changed settings and didn't change them back. I will have to start hiding my notebook, everyone in the office disappears with it, either that or remember to check the newsreader settings eveytime I use the computer. With a memory like mine, I think that it is easier to blame someone else.
[nq:1]We must use different googles:[/nq]
No, we are using them different ways.
I searched, not for references to Bill Palmer, but for posts sent by him under the address that he has been using for the past few months

"palmer.william" (Email Removed)
I am aware that there are many thousands of references to Bill Palmer, (although many are not him, there are some "nicer" Bill Palmer's on usenet) but regarding posts that he has sent recently, it seems that the numbers no longer add up.
A few weeks ago, when all this "doppelganger" stuff started, out of curiosity I searched on his current posting name and address and I found seventeen hundred posts from him. There are now 325. I searched also, just on Bill Palmer as author and found nineteen thousand. There are fourteen thousand showing currently. When I searched, as you did, just on references to Bill Palmer I found close to one hundred thousand, much as Bill Claimed. That number is only down a thousand or two.
Either Google is having a hiccup, or Bill (or a fake Bill) is up to something. My curiosity was piqued mainly because I had recently searched on his name and can see a noticeable reduction in the number of posts. It is very hard to remove posts from Google if you are not the original author, so this is a curious anomaly. The fact that a known troll has pointed this out also suggests the possibility of foul play.
One explanation for the reduction in references is that some of the other genuine Bill Palmers, from the aviation and technical groups, may have removed their posts, thus reducing the total. Perhaps they didn't like the idea of being associated with "Mad" Bill Palmer. As for the posts made by Bill from his current address, I have no idea. Maybe he is going to trying claim that his doppelganger has done it in order to have grounds to bring charges against him? Who knows.
[nq:1]As far as his not posting for a few days: someone swiped a few of his posts, according to Google, ... him to ingratiate his way out, or to escape, and follow the trail of crummy "humor" back to the Usenet.[/nq]
Ok, then perhaps something similar has happened. I wasn't really aware of him until fairly recently when all this fuss started, before then I had simply discounted him as just another crackpot. I didn't realise that he was the crackpot.
He seems to upset females more than males. I have several daughters, a wife and some female staff, (one is looking over my shoulder right now, glaring) all of whom read and post to one or more writing groups. They find the man extraordinarily irritating. My male staff, those who have an interest in writing groups (we are in the publishing industry) do as I do, and ignore him.
[nq:1]Reality-challenged though he may be, there is no question that when he wiggles, eyes bug out.[/nq]
Much the same effect as a bad traffic accident eh?
David

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[nq:1] Like Adrian, I am a bit interested in the mechanics of all this, without regard to who'se the culprit or the target. Bob Lieblich Archived[/nq]
... and now wishing it otherwi'se?
Matti

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[nq:1]When you consider that posts are archived on tens of thousands of servers and any number of personal computers, world-wide, any observation that posts are disappearing makes it seem likely you are witnessing a local phenomenon, if not an outright fabrication.[/nq]
Does anyone actually know of some other Google-like or DejaNews-like entity that archives Usenet posts? I've been told they exist in other countries, but I've never been able to track one down.

Dena Jo
(Email: Replace TPUBGTH with denajo2)

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[nq:1]Has anyone noticed that Bill Palmer's Google archives are disappearing at a rather rapid rate?[/nq]
By the way, there is no need to say "Google archives," since just about everyone in Usenet knows what the Google Nova is.
Anyway, you would have to ask Dr. Chudov about something like that. I refuse to worry about such things, because it is far too big a mathematical question for anyone who used to be the little retarded kid down the block before he sort of fell into the net and found there was a newsgroup called alt.genius.bill-palmer.
All I know is this: If you add up all the references to Bill Palmer (that is, the net-entity, not the Apple computer guy or the Texas magician, etc.), then about ten percent of maybe 750,000 GEMS for "Palmer" refer to the Usenet Bill Palmer, which in itself is rather interesting since there are several hundred thousand Palmers in various nations. with Usenet access. Again, that is when you google for "Palmer," not "Bill Palmer."
As for "Bill Palmer" (one you google for the two words in quotes) most of the GEMS refer to the same Bill Palmer, at least 99 percent of them. Then, you have the "wilhelps," "palmjobs," "Flame Giants," "Twinkles, the alt.genius.dwarf," the references to the newsgroup alt.genius.bill-palmer, the mentions of the cheap imitation Bill Palmer newsgroups, and all the citations of my famous stand-alone works, far too numerous to name in this short post, even if there was a newbie or two out there in the darkened peanut gallery who could not come up with a few dozen of those names right of the top of his or her head. That's not even getting into hallmark expressions, sigs, and nonce words and net culture terms that I coined.
So I really can't worry about people nibbling around the edges of the Google Nova...It is certainly possible it has been under attack by hackers, but actually Google has been doing quite a bit of rearranging and I have noticed at times that things will unavailable and then a couple of weeks later be available again. No, I don't pull any of my own postings.
People have to know what they are doing when
they try to perroms advanced Google searches. I have had people complain that they could not find a stand alone of mine, and I have gone right to Google and found it immediately.
We saw Google-incompetence here a couple of weeks
back in the case of the nitwit who adsurdly claimed Google-proof that I had only started 200 long threads since I have been in Usenet. Shucks, I have often started that many long threads before breakfast,
just because there was lot on the plate that day!
Well, I was exaggerating slightly there, but it is a fact that I can think of a well over a dozen single newsgroups right off the top of my head in which I started over 200 long threads, and I am not even
talking about crossposting there, since there are
groups that I rarely even crosspost in.
So is the Google Nova disappearing? I rather suspect it is not, but I don't plan to stay awake nights worring about it As of this post, I have not even gotten around to going over there and researching the matter...
accept no cheap imitations
the alt.genus.bill-palmer
firing posts at random from the window of the
office jsut above rec.arts.prose

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