Beyond that + a subject + a verb~

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Lane initially is told very little by the members of the Order of Purity, beyond that the Order of Purity is a secret religious order which had splintered from the Order of St. Dumas, which itself had splintered from the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church duringhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crusades.

I'd like to know whether "beyond" can take "that" clause as object.

Thank you in advance for your help.

GPY · Accepted Answer

I find it acceptable.

BillJ · Answer

park sang joon Lane initially is told very little by the members of the Order of Purity, beyond that the Order of Purity is a secret religious order which had splintered from the Order of St. Dumas, which itself had splintered from the Catholic Church during The Crusades . I'd like to know whether "beyond" can take "that" clause as object. Thank you in advance for your help.

Yes, it can. The preposition “beyond” works in much the same way as the prep “except”, in that it can take quite a few expressions as complement, including that-clauses.

BillJ

Tkacka15 · Answer

park sang joonbeyond that the Order of Purity is a secret religious order which had splintered from the Order of St. Dumas

Is "that" a pronoun followed by the zero-that clause in the PP "beyond that the Order of Purity is a secret religious order which had splintered from the Order of St. Dumas"?

RandomGuy · Answer

tkacka15Is "that" a pronoun followed by the zero-that clause in the PP "beyond that the Order of Purity is a secret religious order which had splintered from the Order of St. Dumas"?

No. That is a subordinator.

park sang joonI'd like to know whether "beyond" can take a "that" clause

It can, but it should be noted that it doesn’t permit that-declaratives, in the way that prepositions like considering and provided do. The occurrence of a content clause is dependent on features of the main clause, in this case is told. The sentence entails Lane initially is told that the Order of Purity is a secret religious order which had splintered from the Order of St. Dumas.

Here’s an ungrammatical sentence where there is nothing in the clause to permit a content clause:

*Lane is left in the dark beyond that the Order of Purity is a secret religious order which had splintered from the Order of St. Dumas.

Tkacka15 · Answer

Aspara Gus*Lane is left in the dark beyond that the Order of Purity is a secret religious order which had splintered from the Order of St. Dumas.

Can I put the pronoun "that" followed by the subordinator "that" to make that sentence grammatical in the Lane is left in the dark beyond that that the Order of Purity is a secret religious order which had splintered from the Order of St. Dumas ?

And if that sentence is grammatical, can I drop the subordinator "that" in the that-clause following the pronoun "that" here?

RandomGuy · Answer

tkacka15Can I put the pronoun "that" followed by the subordinator "that" to make that sentence grammatical in the Lane is left in the dark beyond that that the Order of Purity is a secret religious order which had splintered from the Order of St. Dumas ?

No.

Tkacka15 · Answer

Aspara GusNo.

Thanks for the reply.

Park sang joon · Answer

Thank you, Aspara Gus, for your another kind answer.

I'd like to know whether I can write like the following:
"Lane is left in the dark, beyond that the Order of Purity is a secret religious order which had splintered from the Order of St. Dumas."

RandomGuy · Answer

No, the comma does not make it OK.

Park sang joon · Answer

Thank you, Aspara Gus, for your continuing support.

I'm sorry for my poor understanding, but I don't know the difference between #1 and #2.

I should have missed the point; please, could you enlighten me with some more account?

1. Lane initially is told very little by the members of the Order of Purity, beyond that the Order of Purity is a secret religious order which had splintered from the Order of St. Dumas, which itself had splintered from the Catholic Church during The Crusades.

2. Lane is left in the dark beyond that the Order of Purity is a secret religious order which had splintered from the Order of St. Dumas.

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