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Contraposition Posted 13 years ago
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between

What does between mean?
What does 'they' refer to?
What does 'present' mean?
What does 'hold up' mean?

The first notable product of the Hellenic civilization was Homer. Everything about Homer is conjectural, but the best opinion seems to be that he was a series of poets rather than an individual. Probably the Iliad and Odyssey between them took about two hundred years to complete, some say from 750 to 550 B.C., while others hold that "Homer" was nearly completed at the end of the eightth century. The Homeric poems, in their presnet form, were brought to Athens by Peisistratus....Homer, so far from being primitive, was an expurgator, a kind of eighteenth-century rationalizer of ancient myths, holding up an upper-class ideal of urbane enlightenment.
  

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'Between them': The completion time of both works combined. 'Present': The poems' final form.

  • 'Between them': The completion time of both works combined.
  • 'Present': The poems' final form.
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'Between them': The completion time of both works combined.
'Present': The poems' final form.
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IMHO, this sentence is incorrect:

Probably the Iliad and Odyssey between them took about two hundred years to complete, some say from 750 to 550 B.C.
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In what respect, is it incorrect?
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Probably the Iliad and Odyssey between them took about two hundred years to complete, some say from 750 to 550 B.C.

It's unclear WHAT took so much time between the Iliad and Odyssey... Is it the time of action or is it the time span between the creation of both works?

The sentence seems to be missing something.
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Let's wait for others to share their insights. In my opinion that sentence is wrong but perhaps I'm missing something here. I can't quite catch what is wrong about it, it just sounds incomplete for some reason.
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I hope you guys can offer us some suggestions as far as that sentence is concerned.
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Perfect StrangerProbably the Iliad and Odyssey between them took about two hundred years to complete, some say from 750 to 550 B.C.It's unclear WHAT took so much time between the Iliad and Odyssey... Is it the time of action or is it the time span between the creation of both works
Between them = together, A + B. It is talking about the cumulative time for
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contraposition The Homeric poems, in their presnet form, were brought to Athens by Peisistratus...
Present = Modern, the form we can read today.
contrapositionHomer, so far from being primitive, was an expurgator, a kind of eighteenth-century rationalizer of ancient myths, holding up an upper-class ideal of urbane enlightenment.
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AlpheccaStarsJoe and I went to have a coffee and a snack. We were very short of money because we had been furloughed. Thankfully, between us, we were able to come up with enough to pay the bill, and even leave a small tip.
Thanks AS, yeah, your example makes sense, it does! But this sentence is really strangely structured...

Probably the Iliad a
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Perfect Stranger Is it only my impression that the sentence doesn't read well at all?
Yes. I think the writer made good choices. When you pry "probably" out and try to stick it somewhere else, the sentence loses some clarity, to my ear. "Between them" is plain English, and it is placed correctly, but I can see how it would seem odd to a learner, since "between

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