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Anewcomer Posted 18 years ago
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0 Hi Teachers , I have something to ask 02 br
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00 Are these correct, grammatical : 02 br
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00 1. "There have been 01 b 00 people 02 b 01 u 00 talking 02 u 00 about the case lately" SAME AS "There have been people who talk about the case lately" 02 br
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00 2. "There have been 01 b 00 animals 02 b 00 01 u 00 killed 02 u 00 without a valid reason" SAME AS "There have been animals that are killed without a valid reason" SAME AS "There have been animals being killed without a valid reason" 02 br
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00 3. There are 01 b 00 people 02 b 01 u 00 talking 02 u 00 about the case lately SAME AS "There are people who talk about the case lately" SAME AS " There are people talk about the case lately" 02 br
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00 Questions: 02 br
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00 Is the "talking" in sentence 1 participle (adjective) and the "killed" in sentence 2 past participle? 02 br
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00 Is the "been" in sentence 1 and 2 reffering to 01 b 00 people 02 b 00 and 01 b 00 animals 02 b 00 consecutively and not to 01 u 00 talking 02 u 00 and 01 u 00 killed ? 02 u 02 br
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00 What does the "have" do? I mean the difference between the form of sentence 1 and 3 02 br
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00 Thanks in advance 05 0 010id 2
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00 Are these correct, grammatical : 02 br
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00 1. "There have been 01 b 00 people 02 b 01 u 00 talking 02 u 00 about the case lately" SAME AS "There have been people who talk about the case lately" 02 br
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00 2. "There have been 01 b 00 animals 02 b 00 01 u 00 killed 02 u 00 without a valid reason" SAME AS "There have been animals that are killed without a valid reason" SAME AS "There have been animals being killed without a valid reason" 02 br
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00 3. There are 01 b 00 people 02 b 01 u 00 talking 02 u 00 about the case lately SAME AS "There are people who talk about the case lately" SAME AS " There are people talk about the case lately" 02 br
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00 Questions: 02 br
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00 Is the "talking" in sentence 1 participle (adjective) and the "killed" in sentence 2 past participle? 02 br
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00 Is the "been" in sentence 1 and 2 reffering to 01 b 00 people 02 b 00 and 01 b 00 animals 02 b 00 consecutively and not to 01 u 00 talking 02 u 00 and 01 u 00 killed ? 02 u 02 br
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00 What does the "have" do? I mean the difference between the form of sentence 1 and 3 02 br
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00 Thanks in advance 05 0 010id 2
Top answer
0 I'd use only the 01 b 00 first 02 b 00 alternative in each case. Were those given to you? 02 br 02 br 00 Reason: 01 b 00 talking, killed 02 b 00 are atemporal, they fit better with the present perfect which you have in the start of the sentences than the simple present that you have in the others.
- 0 I'd use only the 01 b 00 first 02 b 00 alternative in each case.
- Were those given to you?
- 02 br 02 br 00 Reason: 01 b 00 talking, killed 02 b 00 are atemporal, they fit better with the present perfect which you have in the start of the sentences than the simple present that you have in the others.
- "Being killed" is too much in the 2nd.
- 02 b 02 br 02 td 02 tr 02 table 0240
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0 I'd use only the 01 b 00 first 02 b 00 alternative in each case. Were those given to you? 02 br
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00 Reason: 01 b 00 talking, killed 02 b 00 are atemporal, they fit better with the present perfect which you have in the start of the sentences than the simple present that you have in the others. "Being killed" is too much in the 2nd. 0
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00 Reason: 01 b 00 talking, killed 02 b 00 are atemporal, they fit better with the present perfect which you have in the start of the sentences than the simple present that you have in the others. "Being killed" is too much in the 2nd. 0
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0 Is the "talking" in sentence 1 participle (adjective) and the "killed" in sentence 2 past participle? 02 br
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00 Is the "been" in sentence 1 and 2 reffering to 01 b 00 people 02 b 00 and 01 b 00 animals 02 b 00 consecutively and not to 01 u 00 talking 02 u 00 and 01 u 00 killed ? 02 u 02 br
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00 Is the "been" in sentence 1 and 2 reffering to 01 b 00 people 02 b 00 and 01 b 00 animals 02 b 00 consecutively and not to 01 u 00 talking 02 u 00 and 01 u 00 killed ? 02 u 02 br
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0 "have" is used for 01 b 00 present perfect 02 b 00 . Get Swan, Practical English Language, and read up. <> 02 br
00 Or do some searches here (top right corner) for 02 br
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00 and come back after that. 02 br
00 Yes, 01 b 00 killed 02 b 00 and 01 b 00 talking 02 b
00 Or do some searches here (top right corner) for 02 br
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00 and come back after that. 02 br
00 Yes, 01 b 00 killed 02 b 00 and 01 b 00 talking 02 b
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0 Hi newcomer, 02 br
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00 My thoughs are these: You want to emphasize that people are TALKING at all, not exactly which PEOPLE are talking. It's terrible that animals are being KILLED, but which individual ANIMALS is not as important as the fact that it's happening. 02 br
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00 When you use the second versions, you are emphasizing the people and the animals,
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00 My thoughs are these: You want to emphasize that people are TALKING at all, not exactly which PEOPLE are talking. It's terrible that animals are being KILLED, but which individual ANIMALS is not as important as the fact that it's happening. 02 br
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00 When you use the second versions, you are emphasizing the people and the animals,
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