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Balderdash and Piffle

I watched the trailers for Balderdash and Piffle (Mondays 21:00 to 21:50) and was very doubtful about if it would be worth watching

What they are doing is to find the first recorded use of a word for use in the Oxford English Dictionary.
The found an early advertising reference to Ploughman's Lunch which will go in OED. They failed to convince OED about early references to Pear Shaped and Gay.
There are another 5 which I will watch.
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At 08:33:17 on Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Dave Fawthrop (Email Removed) wrote in (Email Removed): [nq:1]I watched the trailers for Balderdash and Piffle (Mondays 21:00 to 21:50) and was very doubtful about if it would be worth watching[/nq] It was an interesting show, and it's good to see television take an interest in the English language for a change. [/nq] That in itself justified the entire series, I reckon, as otherwise that particular archive would have gone unmined, and we would never have known that the term was in fact invented by the Dairy Council/Milk Marketing Board. [/nq] I was very surprised that the OED rejected the Noel Coward reference, which to my mind was clearly intended as a double entendre - but I suppose they have to draw very hard lines between fact and guesswork.

  • At 08:33:17 on Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Dave Fawthrop (Email Removed) wrote in (Email Removed): [nq:1]I watched the trailers for Balderdash and Piffle (Mondays 21:00 to 21:50) and was very doubtful about if it would be worth watching[/nq] It was an interesting show, and it's good to see television take an interest in the English language for a change.
  • [/nq] That in itself justified the entire series, I reckon, as otherwise that particular archive would have gone unmined, and we would never have known that the term was in fact invented by the Dairy Council/Milk Marketing Board.
  • [/nq] I was very surprised that the OED rejected the Noel Coward reference, which to my mind was clearly intended as a double entendre - but I suppose they have to draw very hard lines between fact and guesswork.
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At 08:33:17 on Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Dave Fawthrop
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[nq:1]I watched the trailers for Balderdash and Piffle (Mondays 21:00 to 21:50) and was very doubtful about if it would be worth watching[/nq]
It was an interesting show, and it's good to see television take an interest in the English language for a change.
[nq:1]The found an early advert
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[nq:1]I watched the trailers for Balderdash and Piffle (Mondays 21:00 to 21:50) and was very doubtful about if it would ... Ploughman's Lunch which will go in OED. They failed to convince OED about early references to Pear Shaped and Gay.[/nq]
Yes, yes - but what are you trying to say?

John Briggs
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Except that they gave only a throwaway reference to the film "The Ploughman's Lunch" which had more or less said that 20 years ago.
John Briggs
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[nq:2]I watched the trailers for Balderdash and Piffle (Mondays 21:00 ... convince OED about early references to Pear Shaped and Gay.[/nq]
[nq:1]Yes, yes - but what are you trying to say?[/nq]
IMO the rest will be worth watching
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Dave Fawthrop
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[nq:2]Yes, yes - but what are you trying to say?[/nq]
[nq:1]IMO the rest will be worth watching[/nq]
Thanks for the clarification :-)

John Briggs
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[nq:1]Except that they gave only a throwaway reference to the film "The Ploughman's Lunch" which had more or less said that 20 years ago.[/nq]
But would that have been adequate evidence for the OED? After all, the makers of films tend to tidy up and simplify facts, and make certain the uncertain, for artistic purposes.

Peter Duncanson
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[nq:1]I watched the trailers for Balderdash and Piffle (Mondays 21:00 to 21:50) and was very doubtful about if it would be worth watching[/nq]
I missed the first one. RL being more important at the moment than watching a TV programme.
Definitive only then possible not worth watching if that is all you are interested in. I saw the trailers and even if it wasn't definitive then that's not wo

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