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Rinoceronte Posted 15 years ago
Linguistics Studies
Bad teaching
What does it mean to teach bad? It means, in particular, that you are unable to answer...
1) ... why Harriet Beecher Stowe did not follow in her Uncle Tom's Cabin the so called 'state verbs rule' with such a brilliant phrase as:
"...if I should only tell what I've seen and been knowing to..."
2) ... why the articleless combination 'from moon' can be found in American literature 19 times, 'from sun' - 141 times, and 'from earth' - 1120 times; 3) ... why such writers as Philippe Roth, Shirley Ann Grau and Ernest J. Gaynes (among many others) ignore so blatantly the order not to use Perfect Continuous in Passive Voice feeling pretty well with 'been being' combination;
4) ... why Lord Shaftsbury in North American Review: October 1860: 385-421 uses Future Perfect tense in a context that has nothing to do with 'traditional' markers for that tense ('before' and 'by'):
"...I wonder when he will have done preaching," one of them whispered to a neighbor...", and why 100 years later Lucille deView in Christian Science Monitor: 1981-12-17: Pg. B18 is doing the same:
"...I will have done what I want to do with my life...";
5) why the state verb 'to know' is forbidden so strongly to be used in continuous tenses, while a way more stative verb 'to wait' is used in continuous forms more than abundantly (2433 instances of 'been waiting' in American writers' works).
Those few paragraphs are enough to send most grammar books to trash and to understand that real knowledge could be obtained only by thinking.
1) ... why Harriet Beecher Stowe did not follow in her Uncle Tom's Cabin the so called 'state verbs rule' with such a brilliant phrase as:
"...if I should only tell what I've seen and been knowing to..."
2) ... why the articleless combination 'from moon' can be found in American literature 19 times, 'from sun' - 141 times, and 'from earth' - 1120 times; 3) ... why such writers as Philippe Roth, Shirley Ann Grau and Ernest J. Gaynes (among many others) ignore so blatantly the order not to use Perfect Continuous in Passive Voice feeling pretty well with 'been being' combination;
4) ... why Lord Shaftsbury in North American Review: October 1860: 385-421 uses Future Perfect tense in a context that has nothing to do with 'traditional' markers for that tense ('before' and 'by'):
"...I wonder when he will have done preaching," one of them whispered to a neighbor...", and why 100 years later Lucille deView in Christian Science Monitor: 1981-12-17: Pg. B18 is doing the same:
"...I will have done what I want to do with my life...";
5) why the state verb 'to know' is forbidden so strongly to be used in continuous tenses, while a way more stative verb 'to wait' is used in continuous forms more than abundantly (2433 instances of 'been waiting' in American writers' works).
Those few paragraphs are enough to send most grammar books to trash and to understand that real knowledge could be obtained only by thinking.
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- Jones ignores the state verbs rule because he either knows about the category of aspect, or suspects it.
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and explanations. OK, here they are.
1) Edward P. Jones ignores the state verbs rule because he either
knows about the category of aspect, or suspects it.
Also he understands theta 'state' itself is very continuity,
i.e., imperfect aspect. To forbid state
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1) using stative verbs in progressive tenses is like putting a scuba on a fish - it doesn't make sense, the fish already has gills and so it doesn't need to lug an oxigen tank on its back.
2)the definite article 'the' is used for common nouns that are unique in the given context. There are many suns, thus if you want to talk about our sun, the one you can see in the sky, you use it with
2)the definite article 'the' is used for common nouns that are unique in the given context. There are many suns, thus if you want to talk about our sun, the one you can see in the sky, you use it with
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That's hilarious!
You learnt this a couple of days ago from me on another forum! You are unbelieveable... What about Earth then, by the way? Are there many Earthes? Why do you apply 'the' to it too?
There are many suns, thus if you want to talk about our sun, the one you can see in the sky, you use it with the article 'the', same rules apply to the moon.
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Don't flatter yourself I'd known these things long before we had that discussion in the other forum you mention.
Regarding Earth, you can use it without an article if you mean it as a proper noun, the name of the planet we live in, however, if you view it as a common noun meaning an earth-like planet then the definite article is appropriate to point out that you're talking about this eart
Regarding Earth, you can use it without an article if you mean it as a proper noun, the name of the planet we live in, however, if you view it as a common noun meaning an earth-like planet then the definite article is appropriate to point out that you're talking about this eart
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igorfazlyevWhy can't you just accept the fact that languages are different.[Y] [Y] [Y] [Y] [Y]
Natural languages are not rigid; they evolve. English is particularly subject to dynamic forces of change, especially since modern communications have spread the language to every nook and cranny of the planet.
There is no rigid language compiler in t
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This is just nonsense. I bet you don't follow the thoughts of your own. 'Earth' NEVER demands an article. It's unique.
if you view it as a common noun meaning an earth-like planet then the definite article is appropriate to point out that you're talking about this earth.
Don't flatter yourself I'd known these things long before we had that di
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This is not really true. There are tests and exams which you will fail for writing "I have been knowing him for years". Let's ask people here who teach English, how many of them would consider this phrase a mistake. Come on, people, tell us!
There is no rigid language compiler in the ether that spits out "stative verb error!
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Well for one thing I do! You will simply not find many native speakers who will ever say this. If you want to produce your own language that doesn't follow the rules and ideas of other people, fine, but I suggest you walk a bit further away from English and try to construct it more independently. That's always more fun!
Also can you illustrate some of the things you claimed about Latin pl
Also can you illustrate some of the things you claimed about Latin pl
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Looks like I'm about to reveal you a huge truth: you will find as many as 4000+ instances of stative verbs used in progressive tenses (including 'been knowing' combinations) in the works of American authors.
You will simply not find many native speakers who will ever say this
That's what she said.
That's always more fun!
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Funny that I shhould think YOUR tone is arrogant all the way along.
Are there Any other alien tenses you have discovered in Latin that I should be aware of?
I am sure that if you knew anything about Latin, you wouldn't mind sharing your superior knowledge with us. You didn't mind sharing your "knowledge" in all the rants preceding this one.
Si non vis me dicere mihi non
Are there Any other alien tenses you have discovered in Latin that I should be aware of?
I am sure that if you knew anything about Latin, you wouldn't mind sharing your superior knowledge with us. You didn't mind sharing your "knowledge" in all the rants preceding this one.
Si non vis me dicere mihi non
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