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Kooyeen Posted 18 years ago
Speech & Pronunciation
aspiration after s
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00 I know there's usually no aspiration after S... usually or always? I have trouble with certain words like: 02 br
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01 b 00 disclose -> 02 b 00 dis-close or di-sclose? 02 br
01 b 00 mistreat -> 02 b 00 mis-treat or mi-streat 02 br
01 b 00 Wisconsin -> 02 b 00 Wis-consin or Wi-sconsin? 02 br
00 etc. 02 br
02 br
00 And if there's something weird going on, is there a general rule for that? Thanks 05 0 010id 1
00 I know there's usually no aspiration after S... usually or always? I have trouble with certain words like: 02 br
02 br
01 b 00 disclose -> 02 b 00 dis-close or di-sclose? 02 br
01 b 00 mistreat -> 02 b 00 mis-treat or mi-streat 02 br
01 b 00 Wisconsin -> 02 b 00 Wis-consin or Wi-sconsin? 02 br
00 etc. 02 br
02 br
00 And if there's something weird going on, is there a general rule for that? Thanks 05 0 010id 1
Top answer
1 b 00 disclose -> 02 b 00 dis-close 02 br 02 br 00 "dis" is a common prefix for many words. The "s" has its own strong sound: dis-respect, dis-pute, dis-card 02 br 02 br 01 b 00 mistreat -> 02 b 00 mis-treat 02 br 02 br 00 "mis" is also a common prefix. mis-took,mis-place.
- 1 b 00 disclose -> 02 b 00 dis-close 02 br 02 br 00 "dis" is a common prefix for many words.
- The "s" has its own strong sound: dis-respect, dis-pute, dis-card 02 br 02 br 01 b 00 mistreat -> 02 b 00 mis-treat 02 br 02 br 00 "mis" is also a common prefix.
- mis-took,mis-place.
- It also has a strong "s" sound.
- 02 br 02 br 01 b 00 Wisconsin -> 02 b 00 Wis-con- sin : both "s" have a strong sound in this name.
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1 b 00 disclose -> 02 b 00 dis-close 02 br
02 br
00 "dis" is a common prefix for many words. The "s" has its own strong sound: dis-respect, dis-pute, dis-card 02 br
02 br
01 b 00 mistreat -> 02 b 00 mis-treat 02 br
02 br
00 "mis" is also a common prefix. mis-took,mis-place. It also has a strong "s" sound. 02 br
02 br
00 "dis" is a common prefix for many words. The "s" has its own strong sound: dis-respect, dis-pute, dis-card 02 br
02 br
01 b 00 mistreat -> 02 b 00 mis-treat 02 br
02 br
00 "mis" is also a common prefix. mis-took,mis-place. It also has a strong "s" sound. 02 br
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0 Hi, 02 br
00 yes, but I was referring to aspiration of T's, K's and P's. I eventually found out they are aspirated after S when the S is part of a different phoneme. So the prefix "mis-" is a phoneme, and so the T in mistune (mis-tune) is aspirated. Any other opinion is still welcome, of course. 05 0 010id 1
00 yes, but I was referring to aspiration of T's, K's and P's. I eventually found out they are aspirated after S when the S is part of a different phoneme. So the prefix "mis-" is a phoneme, and so the T in mistune (mis-tune) is aspirated. Any other opinion is still welcome, of course. 05 0 010id 1
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0 Hi Kooyeen, 02 br
00 This is what J.C. Wells said: 01 blockquote
00 This is what J.C. Wells said: 01 blockquote
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10 English /p t k/ are aspirated when initial in a full-vowelled syllable. Elsewhere they have less aspiration or none. Hence the aspiration of the /p/ after the /m/ in plum pie, but its absence in plump eye. The /t/ of a tease is aspirated, as is that of attack /ə.ˈtæk/, but not that of at ea
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0 Hey! There's a lot of stuff there... maybe too much, but I'll take a look, thanks. 05 0 02 br
00 I saw they talk about "syllabification", and that's one thing I was interested about. Because whether a T after an S is aspirated or not depends on whether the T is in considered to be in a different syllable or not. And another relate issue is... is the P in HAPPY part of the first or sec
00 I saw they talk about "syllabification", and that's one thing I was interested about. Because whether a T after an S is aspirated or not depends on whether the T is in considered to be in a different syllable or not. And another relate issue is... is the P in HAPPY part of the first or sec
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0 In my 16th edition Cambridge English Pronouncing Dictionary, it says, in the introduction, 01 blockquote
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10 although native speakers may well find no difficulty in dividing words into syllables, it seems that learners of English have trouble in doing so, . . . 12 br
10 No completely satisfactory scheme of syllable division can be produced - all sets of rul
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0 No aspiration in any of these cases; dis 01 b 00 c 02 b 00 lose, mis 01 b 00 t 02 b 00 reat, Wis 01 b 00 c 02 b 00 onsin -- just a neutral 01 b 00 c 02 b 00 , 01 b 00 t 02 b 00 , 01 b 00 c 02 b 00 . Well, maybe a little on that 01 b 00 t 02 b 00 -- mostly because of the following 01
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00 that's interesting. It seems everyone pronounces them their own way then. I saw (in a forum) sever
01 cite 10 CalifJim 12 cite 10 No aspiration in any of these cases; dis 11 b 10 c 12 b 10 lose, mis 11 b 10 t 12 b 10 reat, Wis 11 b 10 c 12 b 10 onsin 12 blockquote10 Hi, 02 br
00 that's interesting. It seems everyone pronounces them their own way then. I saw (in a forum) sever
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01 cite 10 Kooyeen 12 cite 10 If you said ""mistune" (tune -> mistune), would you aspirate the T? I would, because it's part of a different part (morpheme?) 12 blockquote10 I would probably aspirate that 01 b 00 t 02 b 00 at least a little, but not for the reason you give (I think). I think it's the stres
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00 Anyway, you are right. I am al
01 cite 10 CalifJim 12 cite 10 You may be trying to fine tune your pronunciation below the noise level, if you know what I mean. 12 blockquote10 Yeah... You mean that there are some features that 99% of native speakers would not notice, and so they tell nothing about someone's accent? 02 br
00 Anyway, you are right. I am al
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