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Taka Posted 18 years ago
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as it is
How would you interpret the part in red?
The ways men are presented in the media strongly affect people's notions of men's place, as it is and as it ought to be.
The ways men are presented in the media strongly affect people's notions of men's place, as it is and as it ought to be.
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From the media, people both believe what they see in as an actual indication of how men really are in society and develop a value-judgement belief of how they SHOULD be in society.
- From the media, people both believe what they see in as an actual indication of how men really are in society and develop a value-judgement belief of how they SHOULD be in society.
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From the media, people both believe what they see in as an actual indication of how men really are in society and develop a value-judgement belief of how they SHOULD be in society.
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I would agree with GG; but the sentence is a little odd.
On the one hand, "as it is" suggests how things really are. Yet the implication is that notions of how things really are are influenced by the media. Which suggests how things seemingly are.
MrP
On the one hand, "as it is" suggests how things really are. Yet the implication is that notions of how things really are are influenced by the media. Which suggests how things seemingly are.
MrP
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MrPedanticI would agree with GG; but the sentence is a little odd.MrP,
On the one hand, "as it is" suggests how things really are. Yet the implication is that notions of how things really are are influenced by the media. Which suggests how things seemingly are.
MrP
Isn't it that there IS a certain image ab
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Hello Taka,
Yes, that's what I take to be the intention of the text; but I'm not sure it expresses that intention. The "men's place, as it is" seems to imply "as men's place really is".
I think the problem (for me, at least) is that "as it is" seems to refer back simply to "men's place", rather than "notions of men's place" (which the presumably intended meaning would requ
Yes, that's what I take to be the intention of the text; but I'm not sure it expresses that intention. The "men's place, as it is" seems to imply "as men's place really is".
I think the problem (for me, at least) is that "as it is" seems to refer back simply to "men's place", rather than "notions of men's place" (which the presumably intended meaning would requ
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Isn't it possible that the intention is that there really is men's place in society and the media helps people think about what place it really is?
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I would infer that meaning from e.g.
1. The ways (in which) men are presented in the media strongly affect people's notions of what a man's place is (in society), and what it ought to be.
— where the underlined portion qualifies "notions".
But "as it is" in the original suggests to me "men's place" as seen from the speaker's point of view, rather than from the poi
1. The ways (in which) men are presented in the media strongly affect people's notions of what a man's place is (in society), and what it ought to be.
— where the underlined portion qualifies "notions".
But "as it is" in the original suggests to me "men's place" as seen from the speaker's point of view, rather than from the poi
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Interesting.
MrP, do you think the phrase 'as it is' generally implies the speaker's point of view?
MrP, do you think the phrase 'as it is' generally implies the speaker's point of view?
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