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Navitasan Posted 14 years ago
Grammar

As he is/that he is

1-Stupid that he is, he told everything to me.
2-Stupid as he is, he told everything to me.

Which of the above corresponds to which of the below:
a-Because he is stupid, he told everything to me.
b-Although he is stupid, he told everything to me.

Gratefully,
Navi.
  

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navitasan Which of the above corresponds to which of the below? Both lean toward sentence A. There is no although meaning implied.

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  • navitasan Which of the above corresponds to which of the below?
  • Both lean toward sentence A.
  • There is no although meaning implied.
  • However, the first seems incorrect, and the second could be more natural.
  • Here are my suggestions: Fool that he is, he told me everything.
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navitasanWhich of the above corresponds to which of the below?
Both lean toward sentence A. There is no although meaning implied.

However, the first seems incorrect, and the second could be more natural.

Here are my suggestions:

Fool that he is, he told me everything.
Being as stupid as he is, he to
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navitasan2-Stupid as he is, he told everything to me.
I both agree and disagree.

They both lean toward (a), but the rewrite destroys the meaning of (2).
"As stupid as he is" is a measurement of his stupidity.
"Stupid as he is" is an absolute.

I'm sure Gus would agree, and has chosen to change the meaning advisedly.

I find (1)
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AvangiSorry! Now I'm not so sure.
I'm not, either, but it seems that your examples are different in that the word that substitutes the words, rather than works with them.

- He's a fool!
- That he is!
= A fool he is!
= He is a fool!

- He's stupid!
- That he is!
= Stupid he
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And here I thought it was just as simple as two little formulas!

NOUN that he is, ...
ADJECTIVE as he is, ...

No?

(The 'that' in 'Fool that he is' is not the 'that' in 'That he is". Complementizer vs demonstrative.)

CJ
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And that's that! Emotion: smile

Thank you both for jabbing my brain.

It's long been my ambition to acquire a comprehensive under
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Thank you all very much.

I thought the same as CalifJim and still do.

NOUN that he is....
ADJECTIVE as he is

BUT, it seems to me that they are no equivalient in that (there!) the first one means "because he is NOUN" and the second one means "
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navitasanI think the second one could be replaced by:As ADJECTIVE as he is
Yes.
navitasanit seems to me that they are no equivalient in that (there!) the first one means "because he is NOUN" and the second one means "although he is foolish" or something close to it.
I don't see it like this. I think it just depends on the r
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