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Hi all,
I want to ask a question about English usage.
The cross of Jesus.
Jesus's cross?
or
Jesus' cross?
Which is correct and why? TIA.
Paul...
p.s. this is a question originating from the Economist in an article about Mel Gibson's "The Passion of Christ".
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I want to ask a question about English usage.
The cross of Jesus.
Jesus's cross?
or
Jesus' cross?
Which is correct and why? TIA.
Paul...
p.s. this is a question originating from the Economist in an article about Mel Gibson's "The Passion of Christ".
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At 15:44:36 on Sat, 6 Mar 2004, Paul (Email Removed) wrote in (Email Removed): [nq:1]The cross of Jesus. Jesus's cross? [/nq] I would say Jesus' cross.
- At 15:44:36 on Sat, 6 Mar 2004, Paul (Email Removed) wrote in (Email Removed): [nq:1]The cross of Jesus.
- Jesus's cross?
- [/nq] I would say Jesus' cross.
- I was taught at school that one didn't allow a possessive to produce three s sounds; so, Jones's shop, but Francis' bike.
- This would be borne out by the Lord's Prayer including "for Jesus' sake".
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At 15:44:36 on Sat, 6 Mar 2004, Paul (Email Removed) wrote in (Email Removed):
[nq:1]The cross of Jesus. Jesus's cross? or Jesus' cross?[/nq]
I would say Jesus' cross. I was taught at school that one didn't allow a possessive to produce three s sounds; so, Jones's shop, but Francis' bike. This would be borne out by the Lord's Prayer including "for Jesus' sake".
Molly Mockford
[nq:1]The cross of Jesus. Jesus's cross? or Jesus' cross?[/nq]
I would say Jesus' cross. I was taught at school that one didn't allow a possessive to produce three s sounds; so, Jones's shop, but Francis' bike. This would be borne out by the Lord's Prayer including "for Jesus' sake".
Molly Mockford
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[nq:1]Hi all, I want to ask a question about English usage. The cross of Jesus. Jesus's cross? or Jesus' cross? Which is correct and why? TIA. Paul...[/nq]
American Heritage Dictionary says Jesus' is correct. But I think either one is correct.
Vanya
AHD: The possessive case of most proper nouns is formed according to the rules for common nouns: (singular) Eliot's novels, Yeats's poetry
American Heritage Dictionary says Jesus' is correct. But I think either one is correct.
Vanya
AHD: The possessive case of most proper nouns is formed according to the rules for common nouns: (singular) Eliot's novels, Yeats's poetry
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[nq:1]AHD: The possessive case of most proper nouns is formed according to the rules for common nouns: (singular) Eliot's novels, ... -'s would make the pronunciation difficult or awkward: Jesus' teachings, Moses' children, Achilles' heel Hercules' strength, Ramses' reign, Xerxes' conquest.[/nq]
Jesus, Moses, Ramses, Xerxes: no problem. But what's the difficulty with saying Achilles's he
[nq:1]AHD: The possessive case of most proper nouns is formed according to the rules for common nouns: (singular) Eliot's novels, ... -'s would make the pronunciation difficult or awkward: Jesus' teachings, Moses' children, Achilles' heel Hercules' strength, Ramses' reign, Xerxes' conquest.[/nq]
Jesus, Moses, Ramses, Xerxes: no problem. But what's the difficulty with saying Achilles's he
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[nq:2]The cross of Jesus. Jesus's cross? or Jesus' cross?[/nq]
[nq:1]I would say Jesus' cross. I was taught at school that one didn't allow a possessive to produce three s sounds; so, Jones's shop, but Francis' bike.[/nq]
I don't follow that. What's the difference between Jones and Francis that you think they need to be treated differently.
[nq:1]This would be borne out by the Lord's P
[nq:1]I would say Jesus' cross. I was taught at school that one didn't allow a possessive to produce three s sounds; so, Jones's shop, but Francis' bike.[/nq]
I don't follow that. What's the difference between Jones and Francis that you think they need to be treated differently.
[nq:1]This would be borne out by the Lord's P
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[nq:1]I don't follow that. What's the difference between Jones and Francis that you think they need to be treated differently.[/nq]
Seems pretty straightforward to me, Jones's produces two sibilants, Francis's produces three and sounds clumsy, awkward and unpleasing to the ear. Will that do?
Seems pretty straightforward to me, Jones's produces two sibilants, Francis's produces three and sounds clumsy, awkward and unpleasing to the ear. Will that do?
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[nq:1]I don't follow that. What's the difference between Jones and Francis that you think they need to be treated differently.[/nq]
Molly has explained that: "Jones" has one "s" sound but "Francis" has two. Unless you think that "Francis" should be pronounced with a hard "c".
Molly has explained that: "Jones" has one "s" sound but "Francis" has two. Unless you think that "Francis" should be pronounced with a hard "c".
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[nq:1]I'd say that all three are acceptable, as, given the alternative form of the name, is "Jesu's cross".[/nq]
Is Jesu a simple alternative to Jesus or is it an inflection in Greek? Just wondered. When I was a brat forced to go to Sunday school, the very mention of Jesu was enough to start a fit of giggles.
Phil C.
Is Jesu a simple alternative to Jesus or is it an inflection in Greek? Just wondered. When I was a brat forced to go to Sunday school, the very mention of Jesu was enough to start a fit of giggles.
Phil C.
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[nq:2]I don't follow that. What's the difference between Jones and Francis that you think they need to be treated differently.[/nq]
[nq:1]Molly has explained that: "Jones" has one "s" sound but "Francis" has two. Unless you think that "Francis" should be pronounced with a hard "c".
[nq:1]Molly has explained that: "Jones" has one "s" sound but "Francis" has two. Unless you think that "Francis" should be pronounced with a hard "c".
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[nq:2]AHD: The possessive case of most proper nouns is formed ... Moses' children, Achilles' heel Hercules' strength, Ramses' reign, Xerxes' conquest.[/nq]
[nq:1]Jesus, Moses, Ramses, Xerxes: no problem. But what's the difficulty with saying Achilles's heel or Hercules's strength? (Other than the common pronunciation "Achilles heel", of course.)[/nq]
No difficulty. I've also heard it
[nq:2]AHD: The possessive case of most proper nouns is formed ... Moses' children, Achilles' heel Hercules' strength, Ramses' reign, Xerxes' conquest.[/nq]
[nq:1]Jesus, Moses, Ramses, Xerxes: no problem. But what's the difficulty with saying Achilles's heel or Hercules's strength? (Other than the common pronunciation "Achilles heel", of course.)[/nq]
No difficulty. I've also heard it
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[nq:1]Jesus's cross? or Jesus' cross? Which is correct and why? TIA.[/nq]
Both are correct. I would recommend the latter form though, simply on grounds of euphony.
Adrian
Both are correct. I would recommend the latter form though, simply on grounds of euphony.
Adrian
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