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Taka Posted 18 years ago
Grammar
account for
These kinds of books have grown into a major market, accounting for 25 percent of all publications sold in the U.S.
Which is closer to the original above?
(1) These kinds of books have grown into a major market, and (they have) accounted for 25 percent of all publications sold in the U.S.
(2)These kinds of books have grown into a major market, and (they) account for 25 percent of all publications sold in the U.S.
Which is closer to the original above?
(1) These kinds of books have grown into a major market, and (they have) accounted for 25 percent of all publications sold in the U.S.
(2)These kinds of books have grown into a major market, and (they) account for 25 percent of all publications sold in the U.S.
Top answer
The result of the process is important here, thus 2
- The result of the process is important here, thus 2
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That result could be something that is valid at this time so far, so #1 might be possible, might it not be?
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TakaWhich is closer to the original above?(2). It's not that they (have) accounted for 25 percent of all publications sold in the U.S. (in the past). It's that, as things stand now, they account for 25 percent of those publications. Had the account been made earlier, probably less than 25 percent of the publications would have been involved.
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OK.
Jim, would you come up with some cases where 'S have -ed, -ing' is almost the same as 'S have -ed and (have) -ed'? I'd like to compare the difference.
Jim, would you come up with some cases where 'S have -ed, -ing' is almost the same as 'S have -ed and (have) -ed'? I'd like to compare the difference.
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Sorry, Taka, I don't really understand the question. Can you suggest one as an example? Maybe if you tried one first, I'd get the idea better.
In any case, it sounds like a daunting task, and I'm not sure I'm up to it!
In any case, it sounds like a daunting task, and I'm not sure I'm up to it!
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Sorry, it was not clear.
These kinds of books have grown into a major market, accounting for 25 percent...
Subject(S):these kinds of books
have -ed: have grown into a major market
,-ing: ,accounting for 25 percent...
Here 'S have -ed, -ing' is not 'S have -ed, and have -ed': it is not 'These kinds of books have grown into a major market, and
These kinds of books have grown into a major market, accounting for 25 percent...
Subject(S):these kinds of books
have -ed: have grown into a major market
,-ing: ,accounting for 25 percent...
Here 'S have -ed, -ing' is not 'S have -ed, and have -ed': it is not 'These kinds of books have grown into a major market, and
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Change the participial phrase instead : These kinds of books have grown into a major market, having accounted for accounting for 25 percent of all publications sold in the U.S.
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I've found this example:
These cartoon characters have caught the eyes of scholars, bringing out a wave of best-selling studies by academics and scientists who say the comics are more than just escapist entertainment.
Isn't this the same as:
These cartoon characters have caught the eyes of scholars, and they have brought out
These cartoon characters have caught the eyes of scholars, bringing out a wave of best-selling studies by academics and scientists who say the comics are more than just escapist entertainment.
Isn't this the same as:
These cartoon characters have caught the eyes of scholars, and they have brought out
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> That result could be something that is valid at this time so far, so #1 might be possible, might it be not?
might it not?
might it not?
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TakaIsn't this the sameWell, there's 'the same', and then there's 'the same', if you know what I mean. It's not exactly the same of course, but it's similar.
The -ing formulation, with its non-finite verb, has been changed to a present perfect, a finite verb form. This alone causes some of the meaning to be lost -- specifically the 'thereby' con
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