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Sorry to bother you again.In The Netherlands we have Coffee and Coffee 'wrong' The later is Coffee with much to much hot milk poured in it. Is there an English name for such a coffee? No, not Capuccino!TIAFrans

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[nq:1]Sorry to bother you again. In The Netherlands we have Coffee and Coffee 'wrong' The later is Coffee with much to much hot milk poured in it. Is there an English name for such a coffee? No, not Capuccino![/nq]
I call it "milky coffee". I think the Italians call it Latte.

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[nq:1]Sorry to bother you again. In The Netherlands we have Coffee and Coffee 'wrong' The later is Coffee with much to much hot milk poured in it. Is there an English name for such a coffee? No, not Capuccino! TIA Frans[/nq]
Possibly the 'coffee wrong' is made more with chicory and the milk hides the flavor?

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[nq:1]Sorry to bother you again. In The Netherlands we have Coffee and Coffee 'wrong' The later is Coffee with much to much hot milk poured in it. Is there an English name for such a coffee? No, not Capuccino![/nq]
Van Dale translates the Dutch 'koffie verkeerd' as "café au lait" or "coffee made with hot milk", which is not really accurate.

I believe English does not have a specific name for this and you'll need to paraphrase it to express it in English.
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[nq:1]Possibly the 'coffee wrong' is made more with chicory and the milk hides the flavor?[/nq]
No, it all comes out of the same machine filled with the same powder in any cafe you care to visit. Avoid ordering espresso in any cafe which advertises its use of Douwe Egbert's coffee. DE might be very nice for koffie verkeerd but it makes a dreadful espresso.

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[nq:2]In The Netherlands we have Coffee and Coffee 'wrong' The ... an English name for such a coffee? No, not Capuccino![/nq]
[nq:1]I call it "milky coffee". I think the Italians call it Latte.[/nq]
No, "latte" is what they call milk. "Caffe latte" is hot milk with coffee added to it.Coffee used just to be "black" or "white" in Britain. I think it was in the 1980s that coffee served as "capuccino" became common - though I remember ordering that once and finding it came as instant coffee with spray cream on top. Coffee bars serving coffee in a variety of styles seemed to appear overnight some time in the 1990s. The styles all had authentic-sounding Italian names, although my limited experience of Italy suggests they are far removed from how coffee is really served there.

It was at this point that "caffe latte" became used in Britain for the style of coffee for which "coffee with much too much hot milk poured into it" sounds a good description. This is commonly shortened to "latte", though I am told Italians find this funny because to them asking for just a "latte" rather than a "caffe latte" just means asking for a glass of milk.
Matthew Huntbach

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[nq:1]Coffee used just to be "black" or "white" in Britain. I think it was in the 1980s that coffee served as "capuccino" became common - though[/nq]
Nope: "froffy coffee" was common in the 1950s' "milk bars". They even had Gaggia espresso machines, and the staff used to revel in producing 100dB roars whilst heating and frothing the milk with superheated steam.

Of course, these meeting places for the Tommy Steel generation had died out by the 1970s, so reinvention was required; as with all reinventions, (especially when a USAian influence is present) there was some dumbing down.

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[nq:2]Coffee used just to be "black" or "white" in Britain. ... 1980s that coffee served as "capuccino" became common - though[/nq]
[nq:1]Nope: "froffy coffee" was common in the 1950s' "milk bars". They even had Gaggia espresso machines, and the staff used to revel in producing 100dB roars whilst heating and frothing the milk with superheated steam.[/nq]
Yes, I'm aware of that, though as a folk memory rather than as an actual recollection, since it's before my time.
But was coffee served in a variety of styles as in current coffee bars, or was "froffy coffee" what you got when you asked for "coffee"?

Matthew Huntbach

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On 6 Jul 2005 01:13:48 -0700, "Matthew Huntbach"
[nq:2]Nope: "froffy coffee" was common in the 1950s' "milk bars". ... roars whilst heating and frothing the milk with superheated steam.[/nq]
[nq:1]Yes, I'm aware of that, though as a folk memory rather than as an actual recollection, since it's before my ... variety of styles as in current coffee bars, or was "froffy coffee" what you got when you asked for "coffee"?[/nq]
I had a Saturday job working at Joe Lyons in the late 60s in the days of mass catering. They served something called "milk and a dash" - i.e. hot milk with a dash of coffee in it. The coffee was ground (the first time I'd ever seen it) but produced in some big machine that was only cleaned out at the end of each day. I was never tempted to drink it.
I remember a question on "Top of the Form" some years later - "What is the secret of a really good cup of coffee?" The answer was given as "Don't let the milk boil." The questionee just looked bewildered.

I've never even seen a Starbucks (I must get out more) but I suspect I wouldn't have a clue what to ask for if I just wanted a cup of coffee.
Phil C.

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[nq:2]But was coffee served in a variety of styles as ... "froffy coffee" what you got when you asked for "coffee"?[/nq]
[nq:1]I had a Saturday job working at Joe Lyons in the late 60s in the days of mass catering. They ... really good cup of coffee?" The answer was given as "Don't let the milk boil." The questionee just looked bewildered.[/nq]
Was "milk and a dash" specifically on the menu as that, alongside standard "coffee" or was it what you got when you asked for "coffee"? My earliest memories of British coffee, and this would be in the late 60s, was that it was assumed to be a drink made with hot milk (and Camp Coffee essence ...). This is what is now known as "cafe latte" (I mean coffee made with hot milk - not with "coffee essence") in the coffee bars - it reappeared under this name a few years ago.
[nq:1]I've never even seen a Starbucks (I must get out more) but I suspect I wouldn't have a clue what to ask for if I just wanted a cup of coffee.[/nq]
Starbucks are unavoidable in central London - it sometimes feels as if they have a policy that there must be one in view wherever you are. In the suburbs, however, they only seem to open in the more upmarket places - in south-east London where I live they have branches in Blackheath and Bromley, but I can't think of one anywhere else.

They serve coffee in three sizes, whose names I forget, but the smallest size is still too big. "Cafe Americano" is the name they give to what we would probably now regard as standard coffee i.e. weakish and served black but you can add a dash of milk to it.
Matthew Huntbach

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[nq:2]I had a Saturday job working at Joe Lyons in ... of each day. I was never tempted to drink it.[/nq]
[nq:1]Was "milk and a dash" specifically on the menu as that, alongside standard "coffee" or was it what you got when you asked for "coffee"?[/nq]
It was a menu choice in its own right - often called "milky dash" by the customers. But I've never heard of it since - perhaps it was specific to Joe Lyons.
[nq:1]My earliest memories of British coffee, and this would be in the late 60s, was that it was assumed to ... milk - not with "coffee essence") in the coffee bars - it reappeared under this name a few years ago.[/nq]
My ex-parents-in-law were using ground coffee in a percolator then. But they made it weak and then mixed it with hot milk. I was brought up on Camp followed by powder followed by granules. I haven't had instant coffee in years and FAIK it may be much improved now. Or not.
Phil C.

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